Harry Sufehmi asked. Maybe yes and maybe not, I think the jury still out on that, but the anonymous owner does has strong negative opinions against Indonesian Muslims or all muslims for that matter, but he/she is posting it own his/hers own blog and nobody forced us to read it, plus the blog has comment section that disagree parties can use. Btw, Harry should know that he's not suppose to use a space before the question mark hehe :)
spasi..spasi..spasi..spasi..
akhirnya, ketahuan juga siapa Polisi EYD itu sebenarnya :)
anyway, salah satu masalahnya adalah pada nama blognya (Indonesia), padahal tidak mewakili Indonesia.
saya pribadi agak keberatan dengan nama-nama blog yang (seperti) mewakili suatu komunitas, padahal sebetulnya tidak.
takutnya misleading.
kalau blog gua kan jelas, harry.sufehmi.com, he he. judulnya juga "thoughts, rants, etc" :) halah isinya pasti cuma curhatnya si harry nih, lewat...
jadi, saya mengusulkan kepada patung, kalaupun mau pakai nama Indonesia juga, jangan berisi opini. tapi reporting saja. supaya jadi lebih netral.
saya lihat beberapa postingnya sudah ada yang berupa reporting, walaupun yang berupa opini juga masih banyak.
Jadi?
Dear Enda, the site is not against "all" Muslims, that would be silly. I think it's pretty obvious which kinds of Muslims it is against, FPI, etc. Sometimes it just depends on my mood though.
Dear Harry, the site is called "Indonesia Matters". There are two possible meanings for this. 1. Indonesia is important. 2. Indonesia affairs/things.
The second one is slightly ungrammatical though I think, needs to be Indonesian Matters.
What that means is that the site is about Indonesia, that is why I use the word "indonesia" in the name. It does not mean that the site represents Indonesia or its people, that is ridiculous and would only make sense if I called it "Indonesia Speaks" or "The Voice of Indonesia" or something like that, but I didn't, I called it "Indonesia is important".
I frequented patung's website and commented on it a few times, sometimes disapprovingly. But really, whether patung's website is against Muslims or not, is a matter perspective. I tend to think organizations that employ threats of violence (you-know-who) to "defend Islam" is actually more damaging to Muslims's image than the website. Where's the outrage? By the way, if one is annoyed that the name of patung's website misrepresents its content, then he/she should also be furious at how some organizations misrepresent(or hijack) a religion by using the religion's name as if they are defending it.
Hi Patung,
Unfortunately, some of your posts are bordering on hate-speech.
An example - muslim radicalism in 2005
Even I would support closing down an illegal church which causes unrest to the community around it.
That makes me a radical muslim according to your post.
While communities in UK/USA who demanded an illegal mosque to be closed down are not (because, it's their law-protected rights)
With such great name (IndonesiaMatters.com), you can contribute so much to the Indonesian. I sincerely hope you will choose that path sometime in the near future.
Thanks.
harry, think you're being extra kind. Whatever you want to call it patung, it squawks like a duck, it walks like a duck. i'm guessing it's a duck.
it's a cheap ploy in misquoting out of context tidbits of other publications slanted for your own bias.
do enlighten me if you think you have anymore substance than that.
as for enda's previous comment on the fact that it is a personal blog - well, indeed it is - as for free to comment over there, patung can testify that he does censor on regular basis those who disagree.
you can do what you want man, it's the internet. to pretend to be something that it's not, well, that's just puny.
it's always interesting too, to note that wherever anybody mention indonesia matters' slanted misrepresentation, some anons appears from the ether to present a somewhat subjective opinions. you must be pretty popular for a mannequin.
Harry seemed to be everywhere to ensure that the public to be more wary that there is something wrong with the Indonesian Matters blog.
I have commented in you blog.
You referred to things that was said about Islam, medina etc. ( I am not a Christian nor an Islam)
I would strongly urge yourself to understand more about the history starting from ancient times about Egypt, Israel, Old Testament, Quran, Israelis, Philistines, 4000 year ago Jesus, Prophet Mohamed in concern to Abraham in comparison to what you know.
Like you said those people operated churches without a license?
Those people are annoying others in the neighborhood?
Indonesians are pacifist?
Now are you aware that most church do apply for license to operate and are they ususally given the license? The answer is no. But when they erect a mosque every few hundred metres they were given permission. Is there any prejudice in the government or the department issuing the license?
When people go to church, are they really annoying others in the neighborhood? Comparing to muslims foing their prayers, what say you. How about using the loudspeakers to wake up the whole neighborhood? How about laying and bloking up roads and passage way, are they annoying or being bully?
And concerning being pacifist. WHen tension builds, where did they orginate from? Usually from the clerics, overzealous muslims right!
So on the overall, lets set difference aside and see how you fare.
harry,
would you support closing down a 'legal' mosque which causes unrest to the community around it?
Darn ,, i should read this first before i join the indonesiamatter, right now im sending msg to patung that want my account to be close, because in my own opinion his website full of un netral person.still 1:13 Am waiting an email confirmation from him.
I would strongly urge yourself to understand more about the history starting from ancient times about Egypt, Israel, Old Testament, Quran, Israelis, Philistines, 4000 year ago Jesus, Prophet Mohamed in concern to Abraham in comparison to what you know. When people go to church, are they really annoying others in the neighborhood? Comparing to muslims foing their prayers, what say you. How about using the loudspeakers to wake up the whole neighborhood? YES you are not muslim tresspoter..(When people go to church, are they really annoying others in the neighborhood? ) I would strongly urge yourself to understand more about the history :))
i think my comments been cut somehow,,
This tresspoter sure do know about history, and he sure not a muslim, but maybe he is christian, why because:
Every muslim will know about the azan ritual.
I will break the comment on "Comparing to muslims foing their prayers, what say you. How about using the loudspeakers to wake up the whole neighborhood?"
Long ago before you study ancient history mr tresspoter the Prophet asked to his friend named Bilal, hey bilal how can we call the muslim to do the prayer when they are at home,
hmmm we can use Big bell like the christian Bang Bing Bong Bang blurppp...
Nahhh they will call us copycat and start to laugh at us,
hmmm well how about we just call them with voice a loud voice but must be beautiful like how we read the Holy Quran with rhythm.
Hmm maybe it can work,, Ok bilal go up to the tower and start to call them.
Which you see Mr tresspoter the prof of ancient history, christian and muslim do have their way to do the prayer and do the ritual ceremony, and christian and muslim in indonesia have their big tolerance for their brother for doin the prayer, tolerance and respect.
please dont say "Comparing like muslim that use loudspeaker" that is pure schoolboy logic with a misplaced brain chromosome. you sounded like an overzealous christian, and probably you also not Indonesian, maybe you also people who run indonesianmatters.
the indonesiamatters website is privacy protected, yes we can put a report abuse if we want everything have the rule and policy, than again talking about indonesiamaters i guess why they put the privacy protected because they dont want to know that this web were running outside indonesia, maybe australia, and those people in my opinion people with named avatar like ,ross,midrokken,brian A,odinius which you can see that their comment about moslem are very discriminative and the ironically all of these names who posted the topics in the forum, and i guess peter, ross,midrokken,brian A,odinius patung and ect ect are the same person,
80% of the topic which leads to islam and muslim,
1. kawin campur USD 50K,, leads to the muslim girl will be converted to christian just to let the bule not to pay 50K
2. Bekasi bigots(this topic which i asked patung to close my account) leads to Iranian rocket, scraggly bearded people, islamonazis obama's onslaught
3. Polygamist.. and ect ect
and im very sure that this indonesiamatter not suit for the name the owner should change it or host a new web called islammatter.com and now its suit, they never post anything about christian side, this web is very unfair in posting, and because its internet people can do whatever they want, well let me comment as i want about it to. :)
Balin,
You can simply stop putting your vodka-induced comments there. no need to bitch around like "patung hasn't closed my account, bla bla jibby jibby yihaa, ay ay ay ay mijo...".
For me, indonesiamatters is a fun place to release some tension. I like to troll now and then, and in IM I can troll on the things I'm interested in most (indonesia, that is) as I'm an indonesian.
Beside, i don't see IM as being "un-neutral". What it does is bringing to attention those ugly little things some of those little fanatico-muzzies are doing in indonesia.
As someone pointed out above, it's some muslims themselves who bring bad name to the rest of (other) muslims. Can't understand why some of you guys are still trying to defend lost cases like FPI, etc.
this sure goin to be a hell out of fun, you why? cause i can give comments on whatever i want and no need to worry my comments will get erased,LOL
let see,, hmmmmm:
For me, indonesiamatters is a fun place to release some tension. I like to troll now and then, and in IM I can troll on the things I'm interested in most (indonesia, that is) as I'm an indonesian.
that is why is not a fun.. could you help me explain that deigo/patung/madrotter/ET/bla bla jibby jibby yihaa, ay ay ay ay mijo..."./marsupilami or whatever you are
than....
hmmm let see...
i dont give a damn u indonesian or not. trust me..
than...
Can't understand why some of you guys are still trying to defend lost cases like FPI, etc.
i just want people to know that indonesiamatters are very unfair in posting topic about islam not equally balance all the topics will path to islam in many ways.
also they dont treat every comments post fairly to .. "i dont like this comments i'll erase it ha ha"
pls explain this so people will know why?
talk with me with a fact and proof,, dont shout out nonsense deigo LOL
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